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Super rugby 2014 -Week 2

Posted by McLook on February 28, 2014 at 3:45 PM

On request of Micheal (Flourbomber) here is a spot where we can share some thoughts on the Super15 matches.

We are halfway through the matches of Week 2 and so far we've seen the Blues beating the Crusaders; the cheetahs getting thrashed by the Rebels and the Strormers securing a win in the last few minutes against the Hurricanes at Newlands.

 

Regarding the Blues/Crusaders match. I found the fact that that almost the entire Blues team consist of freakishly talented pascific islanders very interesting. The amount of talent amongst these Islanders is incredible. Big, strong and fast seems to be the norm and not a oddity. These big Islanders manhandled the 'Saders with ease and was clearly the better team -for me- on the day. Tom Taylor's place kicking was a bit of a disaster and McCaw did not feature at all during the time he was on the field. In fact he missed tackles in the run-up to the first two Blues tries.  I like the look of the new Blues flyhalf. He is playing so well that Benji Marshall is relegated to warming the bench.

 

The Cheetahs was just bloody ordinary. Everytime you think they've got game they turn gutless. Ek so gatvol vir daai spul ek wil nie eers hulle wedstryde kyk nie. The golden Goose (Goossen) is either struggling to get his form back or is totally over rated. His tactical kicking was horrible and he couldn't get his line away to save his live. Big boss Strauss failed (yet again) miserable as captain. This was a match where he should have shown his metal as it was clear from within the first minute that the Cheetahs was lacking passion and urgency. He was unable to deliver and ligt the team and hence -in my books- not even worth being metioned as a future Springbok captain.

Based on last weeks display against the Bulls Goossen might be the future of the No10 berth for the Springboks. This weekend he was poor.

 

Passion was what pulled the Stormers through but they were frantic in all facets of play. Motivated to the brink of self-destruction but there was -yet again- an absence of evidence that they are being coached. The backline play was lacking finesse and the line out display was the worst I've seen from an SA team in a long time. In the end the Hurricanes in my books didn't deserve to win (even though the Stormers lacked finesse) due to the fact that they scored two soft tries and was never really in the game.

The absence of Bekker and Etzebeth was clearly apparent in the Stormers line-out play. Bekker is -I believe- in Japan and have been a bit dissapointing in his last season (2012) at the Stormers but he was still better than the two that was on display this weekend.

 

The 'Canes almost won due to good defence but kept on infringing in the red zone to prevent tries being scored against them. The Stormes got three early penalties for such infringements at the tackle ball when they were stringing some phases together. This penalty leaking is a good strategy to break opponents momentum and I would like to see referees stepping in and warn teams that kept on infringing in the red zone to prevent tries.

So far a rather dissapointing show by the SA sides.

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Reply Flourbomber
1:18 PM on March 1, 2014 
Thanks Mac,

Follows is my original post requesting this blog;


I don't think I've said this before and I apologise for not doing so up to now - but;

Thank you!

Dankie vir hierdie wonderlike plek op die internet waar in ware Nederlander styl wat jy brei 'n onvoorwaardelike en warm welkom aan almal - selfs na 'n lang hare Guardian lesing in die betaling van Moskou gematigde liberaal soos ek.

Ek het jou video poste gevind dat 'n absolute vreugde veral diť vorm die 70s en jou site is 'n ware hoogtepunt van my web blaai - jou site en klassieke motor webwerwe - om die wanhoop van my vrou!

In elk geval, het ek gedink die 74 Leeus was die beste kant van die 70s en sekerlik een van die beste toer kante plaas oorlog - tot daar met die All Blacks van die 60's en die Springbokke van die 80's.

Asseblief kan ons 'n blog oor die Super Rugby / Rugby kalender / Bring terug toere? Ek sien Super Rugby het reeds begin. In. Februarie. !

Ek dink ons ​​moet 'n provinsiale rugby Maart, April, Mei, Super Rugby Junie, Julie, Augustus en die Internasionale Rugby dws toere September Oktober en November.

Beste wense,

Mike
Reply Flourbomber
1:32 PM on March 1, 2014 
Thanks for the update Mac.

I don't see a lot of Super Rugby - either I get SKY or I stay married - but from the highlights I see on TV it seems to be a much more dynamic and just plain faster game than the 6 Nations (or the NPC 6 as a friend used to call it) .

Can't believe that Orange Free State - the same team that beat the All Blacks in 76 and produced Joggie Jansen - could now be such an unsuccessful outfit like the Cheetahs.

What is this 17 side format they are talking about?

Finally Mac, I doubt whether the Blues are made up of Pacific Islanders - those guys' parents or - more likely - grandparents may have been Pacific Islanders but those guys are New Zealanders.

Back in the 80's some of the Auckland Club sides like Grammar used to field lots of guy with PI heritage to the point that Lossehead Len used to say that Grammar realised that to be successful they had to field a Ponsonby "B" back line!
Reply Kimbo
7:16 PM on March 1, 2014 
Flourbomber says...
Thanks Mac,

Follows is my original post requesting this blog;


I don't think I've said this before and I apologise for not doing so up to now - but;

Thank you!

Dankie vir hierdie wonderlike plek op die internet waar in ware Nederlander styl wat jy brei 'n onvoorwaardelike en warm welkom aan almal - selfs na 'n lang hare Guardian lesing in die betaling van Moskou gematigde liberaal soos ek.

Ek het jou video poste gevind dat 'n absolute vreugde veral diť vorm die 70s en jou site is 'n ware hoogtepunt van my web blaai - jou site en klassieke motor webwerwe - om die wanhoop van my vrou!

In elk geval, het ek gedink die 74 Leeus was die beste kant van die 70s en sekerlik een van die beste toer kante plaas oorlog - tot daar met die All Blacks van die 60's en die Springbokke van die 80's.

Asseblief kan ons 'n blog oor die Super Rugby / Rugby kalender / Bring terug toere? Ek sien Super Rugby het reeds begin. In. Februarie. !

Ek dink ons ​​moet 'n provinsiale rugby Maart, April, Mei, Super Rugby Junie, Julie, Augustus en die Internasionale Rugby dws toere September Oktober en November.

Beste wense,

Mike


Hmmm.

In the words of that great 1960 All Black tour manager and esteemed liberal thinker (!?! - well, his daughter Sandra Coney is! Sorry - a New Zealand in-joke)

Tom Pearce ("What the bloody hell do you mean that a bunch of drug-taking long-haired deviants like the Rolling Stones are allowed to visit New Zealand in 1973, but a group of respectful, law-abiding, decent, clean-living South African Springbok rugby players can't?!?)...

when dealing with the lack of translation in a bi-lingual context ...

"Whangarei, Whakatane, Waikato, Wanganui, Te Kuiti, Taupo, Te Aroha, Taumarunui, Wairarapa, Motueka, Kaikoura, Maketu, Patea...

And that Mr Mayor means, 'Thank you for your welcome!'". ;)

Hey, here's a thought. Maybe AllBlacks 1996 is really Tom's long lost love child. He seems cut from the same cloth!

Just sayin'...
Reply Kimbo
7:59 PM on March 1, 2014 
Flourbomber says...
Thanks Mac,

Follows is my original post requesting this blog;


I don't think I've said this before and I apologise for not doing so up to now - but;

Thank you!

Dankie vir hierdie wonderlike plek op die internet waar in ware Nederlander styl wat jy brei 'n onvoorwaardelike en warm welkom aan almal - selfs na 'n lang hare Guardian lesing in die betaling van Moskou gematigde liberaal soos ek.

Ek het jou video poste gevind dat 'n absolute vreugde veral diť vorm die 70s en jou site is 'n ware hoogtepunt van my web blaai - jou site en klassieke motor webwerwe - om die wanhoop van my vrou!

In elk geval, het ek gedink die 74 Leeus was die beste kant van die 70s en sekerlik een van die beste toer kante plaas oorlog - tot daar met die All Blacks van die 60's en die Springbokke van die 80's.

Asseblief kan ons 'n blog oor die Super Rugby / Rugby kalender / Bring terug toere? Ek sien Super Rugby het reeds begin. In. Februarie. !

Ek dink ons ​​moet 'n provinsiale rugby Maart, April, Mei, Super Rugby Junie, Julie, Augustus en die Internasionale Rugby dws toere September Oktober en November.

Beste wense,

Mike


Actually, even though my formal knowledge of Afrikaans ends at "skrumkakel", "commando", "braaivleis", "soot piel". "roineck", "gatvool" and "kak" (I read too many Wilbur Smith novels as a teenager!),

I think the translation is something like,

"I want to thank you for the great internet site in the Dutch language, and especially for the warm welcome you've given a long-haired, pinko (I am adding that!) Guardian-reading liberal like me.

I especially enjoy the video posts from the 1970s.

The best teams of the 1970s were the 1974 Lions, the best of the 1960s were the All Blacks, and the 1980s was the Springboks.

Can you arrange regular posts so we can comment for the upcoming Super 15 beginning in February?

And then carry on with the provincial rugby throughout March, April, May, Super Rugby in June, July and August, and international rugby for September, October, and November".
Reply McLook
8:49 PM on March 1, 2014 
Goeie poging FB. Ek het so bietjie redigering gedoen sodat dit eg afrikaans klink (mens kan egter verstaan wat jy geskryf het).

Dankie vir hierdie wonderlike plek op die internet waar jy op egte Afrikaner styl almal hartlik welkom laat voel - selfs 'n gematigdigde liberale takhaar betoger in diens van Moskou, soos ek.

Ek het jou videos oor die 1970's veral veskriklik geniet en om jou webwerf te besoek is die hoogtepunt van my dag - jou webwerf en outydse motor webwerwe - tot groot frustrasie/irritasie vir my vrou!

In elk geval, het ek gedink die 74 Leeus was die beste van die 70's en sekerlik een van die beste toere eide kant van die oorlog - plaas dit op dieselfde vlak as de All Blacks van die 60's en die Springbokke van die 80's.

Asseblief kan ons blogs oor die Super Rugby / Rugby kalender / Bring terug toere kry? Ek sien Super Rugby het alreeds in Februarie begin!

Ek dink ons ​​moet ook blog oor die provinsiale rugby in Maart, April, Mei, en Super Rugby in Junie, Julie en Augustus sowel as oor die Internasionale Rugby dws die einde van die jaar toere in September Oktober en November.
Reply McLook
8:58 PM on March 1, 2014 
Kimbo says...
Actually, even though my formal knowledge of Afrikaans ends at "skrumkakel", "commando", "braaivleis", "soot piel". "roineck", "gatvool" and "kak" (I read too many Wilbur Smith novels as a teenager!),


Your traslation is actually very good Kimbo. You must have an South African friend who helped you with it. The correct spelling of those words you know are Kommando, soutpiel, rooinek and gatvol. The other two you've got right.

Wilbur Smith was one of my favourites as well. Always a good read. I've stopped reading his books however because all of them seems to be the same in terms of story, plot, hero and outcome.

His Africa novels does however provide you with a great feeling of Africa.
Reply McLook
9:05 PM on March 1, 2014 
Flourbomber says...
Thanks for the update Mac.

I don't see a lot of Super Rugby - either I get SKY or I stay married - but from the highlights I see on TV it seems to be a much more dynamic and just plain faster game than the 6 Nations (or the NPC 6 as a friend used to call it) .


FB go to the links addtion to the website. I've added website called 'RugbyTalk'. You can follow a discussion of the match while the match is progressing. Bunch of very nice and knowlegable Afrikaners (and Englisg speaking South Africans) as well Aussies and Kiwis who share thoughts as the match eventuates on that site.

Just stay away from religion, philosophy and Apartheid stuff. (These sort of arguments never has a winner and create animosity so the webmaster just don't want to go there). I post some of my articles on that site as well and you will be able to follow the S15 and test matches (Southern and Northern hemisphere) on that site and share thoughts.
Reply Kimbo
9:06 PM on March 1, 2014 
McLook says...
...I've stopped reading his books however because all of them seems to be the same in terms of story, plot, hero and outcome.


Yes.

"His head exploded like a pumpkin" is gripping the first time you read it, but wears a bit thin after a while. :)
Reply Kimbo
9:08 PM on March 1, 2014 
McLook says...
Your traslation is actually very good Kimbo. You must have an South African friend who helped you with it.


Nah.Just a bit of a knack, having experience of translating biblical Hebrew and Greek to pick up the thread from a few words.

Afrikaans is clearly a Germanic language like English, so it is a bit easier to do :)
Reply McLook
9:13 PM on March 1, 2014 
FB you wrote "Can't believe that Orange Free State - the same team that beat the All Blacks in 76 and produced Joggie Jansen - could now be such an unsuccessful outfit like the Cheetahs."

The Cheetahs have been quite good during the last two seasons. What gets me about them is the fact that the seems to be menatlly unable to step-up and play to their potential on a consistent basis. They were pathetic the weekend against the Rebels but pulled off a win against the Bulls last weekend at home.

It is the gutlessness they sometimes exhibits when they lose (like on this weekend) that gets to me. When they are on song the play an extremely exciting brand of rugby but they are unbale to tought the hard ones out. Very similar to the Hurricanes. A type of self-destructive obsession with razzle dazzle rugby.
Reply McLook
9:23 PM on March 1, 2014 
Kimbo you wrote: "Nah.Just a bit of a knack, having experience of translating biblical Hebrew and Greek to pick up the thread from a few words. Afrikaans is clearly a Germanic language like English, so it is a bit easier to do "

Yip the latin base of English, German and Dutch (Afrikaans) is clearly visible if one take a careful look. Pretty good job you did though. Not sure I'll get the essence of a German letter as well as you got the essence of FB's attempt in Afrikaans.
Reply McLook
9:28 PM on March 1, 2014 
FB you wrote: "Finally Mac, I doubt whether the Blues are made up of Pacific Islanders - those guys' parents or - more likely - grandparents may have been Pacific Islanders but those guys are New Zealanders."

No I didn't mean they are not Kiwis. I meant very little Pakeha's in the team. The natrural talent of the Maori and PI people are astonishing. Big, strong, fast with lots of ball sense.
Reply Flourbomber
1:06 PM on March 2, 2014 
Ek sal probeer en bly weg van die politiek / filosofie / ideologie argumente op hierdie site ook - soos jy sÍ - daar is geen wenners.

Ek dink ek het my punt en Phil gemaak en ek het die maat van mekaar nou - terwyl Kim Bo is waarskynlik moeg van hou ons mantels.


FB go to the links addtion to the website. I've added website called 'RugbyTalk'. You can follow a discussion of the match while the match is progressing. Bunch of very nice and knowlegable Afrikaners (and Englisg speaking South Africans) as well Aussies and Kiwis who share thoughts as the match eventuates on that site.

Just stay away from religion, philosophy and Apartheid stuff. (These sort of arguments never has a winner and create animosity so the webmaster just don't want to go there). I post some of my articles on that site as well and you will be able to follow the S15 and test matches (Southern and Northern hemisphere) on that site and share thoughts.
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Reply Flourbomber
1:10 PM on March 2, 2014 
I take your point - friends of mine who were born and/or raised in NZ used to tell me about being Samoans in NZ and Kiwis when they visited their relatives in Samoa.

In elk geval - genoeg!


FB you wrote: "Finally Mac, I doubt whether the Blues are made up of Pacific Islanders - those guys' parents or - more likely - grandparents may have been Pacific Islanders but those guys are New Zealanders."

No I didn't mean they are not Kiwis. I meant very little Pakeha's in the team. The natrural talent of the Maori and PI people are astonishing. Big, strong, fast with lots of ball sense.
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Reply All Blacks 1996
7:29 AM on March 5, 2014 
Flourbomber says...
Ek sal probeer en bly weg van die politiek / filosofie / ideologie argumente op hierdie site ook - soos jy sÍ - daar is geen wenners.

Ek dink ek het my punt en Phil gemaak en ek het die maat van mekaar nou - terwyl Kim Bo is waarskynlik moeg van hou ons mantels.


FB go to the links addtion to the website. I've added website called 'RugbyTalk'. You can follow a discussion of the match while the match is progressing. Bunch of very nice and knowlegable Afrikaners (and Englisg speaking South Africans) as well Aussies and Kiwis who share thoughts as the match eventuates on that site.

Just stay away from religion, philosophy and Apartheid stuff. (These sort of arguments never has a winner and create animosity so the webmaster just don't want to go there). I post some of my articles on that site as well and you will be able to follow the S15 and test matches (Southern and Northern hemisphere) on that site and share thoughts.

[/Flourbomber]
Ek is bly om politiek en godsdiens met mense te bespreek. Dit is wat maak dit interessant. Flourbomber Ek dink jy afgeskrik Frikkie en Drikus. Rudi lyk 'n bietjie meer robuuste. Jy skryf pragtig in Afrikaans.